i think the fact that dennis mcdonough come in as chief of staff and spending a lot of time on the phone with lindsey graham and mccain and others are helping relationships with senate behind the scenes so things the white house are doing i think can help them on other pieces of legislation and other debates. it's just on the budget, the two sides philosophically too far apart and neither have an incentive any more like last year. >> you say too far apart. i have to disagree. by the way, we have a banner down below that comes from politico story, meet the new obama same as the old obama, that is just -- i know that people said that to you. that's just not true. the president is coming to the hill. republicans are talking to the president. now, the president said to george stephanopoulos if the president doesn't raise taxes we have no deal. john boehner said to reporters on the other side, if the president wants taxes, we are not going to have a deal. if he is going to hold it hostage. we have all seen this before. this is preliminary and they are negotiating and i think, carl, what is im